those are positions we've not heard from governor romney before. he said a lot of specific things in this debate. he's been criticized for not having specifics. some of the specifics were easily challengeable by the president. the president didn't challenge him on the specifics in any way. and again, i think that's, speaks to him playing it very safe. that four corners offensive, that practice prevent defense and mike is right in the sense governor romney got done what he needed to get done is get voters to give him another look. >> rose: people say the first 15 minutes is important. >> 15 minutes in, i was immediately taken back to the first kerry-bush debate. if you remember bush came out and he looked tired. he was a little bit pension lent and stumbled with his answers and kerry was there with the podium. the moment finally arrived, prepared himself and his momentum and confidence built throughout his entire debate and i saw the exact same thing tonight. president came out and looked like he under estimated his opponent a bit, was tired. and ro